Interview Robert S.


I met Bob few time in 86Fest, 86EXPO, FT86 Nation and several other events. He’s true gearhead & really awesome one too! Without a doubt, I’ll be cheering for him at SCCA Solo2 and all other Auto-crossing.

Reference: LocalFRS

Whats your day job?

Robert Stangarone:

“Chief Information Security Officer for an Engineering firm.”

Why did you get an FRS? Is it your Daily Driver?

Robert Stangarone:

I was driving a 97 Camry 4cyl auto. I was at a point where a new car was an option. I was looking at a TC, but didn’t fit (I’m 6ft 4in). Had a buddy suggest I consider the FR-S. Read up on it and really liked what I saw. Talked with the Scion sales manager at Toyota of Escondido and got a call the second day they had 2 cars on the lot that buyers had backed out of purchasing. I went down to “take a look” and ended up driving it home. Car is number_243 of the US VIN range, probably one of the 1st 86 cars to be delivered in the US.

What was the “other choice” of car (besides the BRZ)?

Robert Stangarone:

[ I ] considered a TC, ~ Was also considering a used IS250 or IS350.

Why not the BRZ?

Robert Stangarone:

Went to the Subaru dealer wearing sandals, t-shirt, raggy cargo shorts, and unshaved. Asked about getting a car and was told that their 1st 10 cars were already spoken for. Told the sales manager I was interested, gave him my contact information, and never heard from him again. ;)

Who’s FRS do love at the moment? Any FRS community folks you wish to acknowledge? Besides Ken Gushi :)

Robert Stangarone:

I can appreciate any car whose owner truly loves their car and enjoys modifying it to their taste. As I am really into racing (AutoX), I tend to favor the cars that are real race cars and not just made to look like a race car. Ted Park (sponsored by Counter Space Garage), Robi Spec, Sean Crawford (Innovate Motorsports), and some of the local SoCal AutoX/Track people have some nice cars that can actually go fast in a race environment.

Do you do track days?

No. But I’m at every SCCA AutoX event in San Diego, and attend some in the LA region as well. I also have raced in SCCA National level events in SoCal and Utah. I plan to attend the SCCA Solo2 Nationals in Nebraska this year for the first time.

Which meets do you go to?

I’ve done so many meets since buying the FR-S. Some of the best have been the Tour of LA, Friday meets at the Torrance Crossroads, Tuesday night Irvine meet, 86fest 1&2, FT86Nation, 86Expo, Tacos and Tuners in Encinitas (and now Carlsbad), as well as a bunch of smaller impromptu meets as they happen.

Do you feel that the FRS community is strong and growing?

I bought my car on May 30 2012. I joined within 2 weeks after purchasing my car. Initially there was so much excitement and energy on the forum with people finally getting their cars. They were just excited to have one, even if it was in stock form. Gradually there were aftermarket parts released for the car, to what could be called the starving masses. It was so much fun to watch the posts as people started buying aftermarket parts for their cars. There were tons of posts showing how to install the parts, and giving impressions of how they changed the car. This went on for at least the first year. I now see a second wave of people buying this car, and going through the same stages we did as the first group who purchased the car. It is interesting to see how the forum/community spans a wide age demographic. It isn’t just 20-somethings buying this car. I’m going to be 44 this year. ;) I suspect that the community will continue to grow for some time. The amount of aftermarket support for this platform is immense, and people love to mod their cars.

What are your top FRS related sites/Forums? is by far the best, is good right around the time that the events happen, but seems to be pretty dead for the rest of the year. has a small twins section, I suspect as time goes on and the platform matures and gains some community respect that club4ag may end up being the place to go as far as forums are concerned.

Whats the goal for your FRS? Bone Stock? Rocket Bunny? AutoX?

When I initially bought the car, it was to daily drive it. My wife asked if I was going to mod it, and I said no (which was an honest answer at that time). Shortly after I bought the car one of my co-workers told me about AutoX. I did my first event on Aug 25 2012, and was hooked. After that the no-modding decision was gone. I needed to make the car (and driver) faster. Since that time I’ve gradually modified the car. I was fortunate to win one of the raffle prizes for the AutoXers at the first 86fest, which was a Whiteline coupon. $100 free parts and 50% off anything else. I bought every part in their catalog. Since that time I’ve become a product tester for the Innovate Motorsports supercharger, Winmax brake pads, and recently was picked up by Counter Space Garage. I’m currently running in the Street Modified class in the SCCA Solo2 (AutoX) against some pretty serious cars. I’m hoping to place well in the national events and show what this platform is capable of when prepared correctly.


The 10 Best Engines of the Last 20 Years

Jalopnik did another The 10 Best xxx. This time was best engines. What do you think? Do you agree with this list?

Reference: Jalopnik

10.) Honda K20

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This is the point where VTEC kicks in, and it’s very yo.

The Stig’s Rustbelt Cousin:

200(ish) HP, 8000+ RPM redline, and smooth up and down the rev range. The lack of low-end torque is more than made up for by the way it begs to be redlined, and loves every minute of it. Easy to make more power with simple bolt-ons and reprogramming, with Honda reliability to boot.

Suggested By: The Stig’s Rustbelt Cousin, Photo Credit: Honda

9.) Toyota 1LR-GUE V10

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Developed by Yamaha just like the Volvo V8 that powers the Noble M600, this 72-degree 4.8-liter V10 is so rev-happy that you need digital instruments to follow its moves. It also sounds like a well lubricated dream.

The Lexus LFA is worth every penny for this engine alone.4

Suggested By: Patrick George, Photo Credit: Wikimedia Commons

8.) AMC 4.0

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The first incarnation of AMC’s 4.0 straight-six dates back to 1964. I know. But hear me out!

The 4.0 liter version came out in 1986, but was reworked and redesigned all through the 1990s and into the mid 2000s. The one in the picture is full of names because it’s the 5 millionth 4.0 engine built produced on the Greenlee Block Line.


A friend had a Comanche with the 4.0. It was a damn beast.

I had a Cherokee with the 4.0. What a engine. Goobs of power. It would run with zero fluids in it. I think mine ended up with 200k miles on it. The only thing I ever replaced was belts and plugs.


Dear god yes. I knew five people in college with Cherokees powered by these beasts. The rest of the trucks usually fell apart, but these things never. Fucking. Quit.

One even went 23,000 miles, driven hard, with a leaking seal somewhere, without an oil change. Sold it and the new owner rebuilt it, after driving it home 400 miles through a New England winter storm. Incredible.

A legend in its spare time.

Suggested By: jvbftw, Photo Credit: Wikimedia Commons

7.) Alfa Romeo V6 24V

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I’m bending the rules again slightly since the quattrovalvole version of the glorious Alfa V6 is 22-years old now, but I agree with Chris. It has to be on the list.

It’s one of the most beautiful engines ever made, it sounds fantastic and got the power too. You don’t need more.

Suggested By: Chris Perkins, Photo Credit: Wikimedia Commons

6.) Toyota 2JZ-GTE

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The 2JZ-GTE with VVT-i was created to fight Nissan’s brilliant engines in the world of boost and variable valve-timing. The basic engine debuted in 1991, but its variable-timing version came out in 1997, so it’s good after all.

Put a 2JZ-GTE into literally anything, and you’ll be good too.

Suggested By: RazoE, Photo Credit: Wikimedia Commons

5.) Buick V6 Series 2 3800

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One of GM’s big shots. N2Skylark:

Lots of horsepower (for its day), torque, smoothness, durability, and reliability. Back in the day, full-size cars like the LeSabre were rated at 30mpg highway with it.

Scot Zediker:

I’ve said for some time that if GM could build an entire car as well as they can build an engine, they would rule the world.

Suggested By: N2Skylark, Photo Credit: GM

4.) Volkswagen TFSI

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It’s supercharged for low-end torque, it’s turbocharged for high-end torque and fuel economy, it’s compact, light and extremely versatile.171819

SonicRS Fanboy:

This engine is in everything from the GTI, A3 to the boring Audi Q5, and Tiguan to the iconic Golf R and it can be tuned to insanely high horsepower and return 30mpg in the right hands.

Suggested By: themanwithsauce, Photo Credit: Volkswagen

3.) Ford Ecoboost V6

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I am prepared for the backlash, but I firmly believe it: Ford’s EcoBoost V6.

It has, for the first time in history, given the top truck line a V6 that outperforms the V8s in both horsepower, torque, and MPG. While there may be engines out there that crank out more power than the EcoBoost, none have come close to changing the half ton pick up truck landscape like this motor has. And this is VERY important to meeting CAFE regulations.

I’m supportive.

Suggested By: PatBateman, Photo Credit: Ford

2.) BMW S54

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We all want one, right? So that pretty much settles it.2122

Suggested By: willkinton247, Photo Credit: BMW

1.) GM LS Series

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It just works.


Horsepower, torque, simplicity, compact V8 format, inexpensive relative to complex OHC engines, and capable of providing respectable fuel economy.


Compact. Light. Cheap. Easy to work on. Open modification. Land, Sea and Air.

Suggested By: HiramJahoovafatJr, Photo Credit: GM

Welcome back to Answers of the Day – our daily Jalopnik feature where we take the best ten responses from the previous day’s Question of the Day and shine it up to show off. It’s by you and for you, the Jalopnik readers. Enjoy!

Top Photo Credit: Jay Leno’s Garage

Gran Turismo 6 Pre-Order Details


I’m not sure anyone saw this, but Gran Turismo 6 suppose to be coming out this holiday season! Which, I can’t wait for! In pre-order, you can get 20 cars… or get 1 million credits. Which one do you prefer to get?

Reference: PlayStation Blog

Gran Turismo 6 on PS3

GT Fans – Having announced Gran Turismo 6 in May at an event celebrating 15 years of Gran Turismo held at Silverstone Circuit, the game’s legendary designer Kazunori Yamauchi released further details and a new trailer at PlayStation’s E3 press conference recently. With over 1,200 cars available at launch (including new FIA GT3 cars), new locations on a grander scale (such as a fascinating location featuring the Gemasolar solar power plant in Spain), new physics, new tire, suspension and aerodynamic modeling, next generation 3D adaptive tessellation and an HDR dynamic range 50 times greater than GT5, Holiday 2013 cannot come soon enough.

To enhance your GT6 experience, we are proud to announce the most extensive and robust pre-order offer for GT to date through participating retailers.

To start, we wanted to make sure our GT fans start off with the most current and unique vehicles that only GT6 can deliver:

4-Car Pack

  • BMW Z4 GT3 ’11
  • Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 ’13
  • Tesla Model S Signature Performance ’13
  • Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (C7) ’14

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But that’s just the beginning. Check out the exclusive offers we have below:

GameStop Exclusive – 15th Anniversary Edition Upgrade

How would you like to start your Gran Turismo 6 experience this Holiday with 20 unique vehicles? To properly celebrate the 15-year legacy of Gran Turismo, the Gamestop-Exclusive 15th Anniversary Edition includes 16 additional cars as well as your own customized paint chips, race suit, helmet, PSN Avatar, and a copy of Beyond the Apex II app. Each of the combined 20 vehicles will have their own unique enhancements, either visually or performance upgrades.

We’ll have more information on the 15th Anniversary Edition at a later date. For now, check out the entire line-up of 20 vehicles when you pre-order through GameStop

  • BMW Z4 GT3 2011
  • Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 2013
  • Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (C7) 2014
  • Tesla Motors Model S Signature Performance 2013
  • Alfa Romeo TZ3 Stradale 2011
  • Alpine A110 1600S 1968
  • Aston Martin V12 Vantage 2010
  • Audi R8 LMS ultra 2012
  • Ford Focus ST 2013
  • Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 2013
  • Honda HSV-010 (SUPER GT) 2011
  • Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4 2011
  • Lexus IS F Racing Concept 2008
  • Lotus Europa (type54) 1968
  • Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT3 2011
  • Renault Sport Megane Trophy V6 2011
  • SRT Viper GTS 2013
  • TRD 86 Racing 2008
  • Volkswagen Scirocco GT24 Race Car 2008

Amazon Exclusive – $1 Million In-Game Credit

Want to customize and build your own dream Gran Turismo garage? We’re confident a $1 Million In-Game Credit will help you do just that. In addition to getting the mentioned 4-Car pack, Amazon is offering our GT fans $1 Million In-Game Credit directly at start up, allowing you to buy, build, and race your own line-up of cars. Get a jump start in racing against your competitors online by reserving at Amazon.

For more info, check out

Toyota GT86-R Marangoni Eco Explorer


This is pretty cool & learning information.

Toyota GT86-R Marangoni Eco Explorer: sport and technology in the new 2013 show car

Put through the “creative works” by Simone Neri and his TRC Italia style centre, the Japanese sports car has been transformed into the Toyota GT86-R Marangoni Eco Explorer: the quintessence of elegance, fashion and sport, but also environmental-friendliness, underlining one of the core values of all Marangoni products.
With original solutions.


NH3 engine: the car that runs on ammonia

The GT86-R Marangoni has been fitted with the NH3 engine system, offering dual fuel supply. The car can in fact run on petrol, as originally equipped, or alternatively use ammonia stored in a separate rank. The NH3 design has been developed by Bigas International, a company that for more than 40 years has been focusing on the use of alternative energy sources. The system uses a special pressure reducer, called RI21JE, and a special control unit to make sure that all safety and reliability requirements involving the use of ammonia are met.

This system completely eliminates fine dust particle emissions and significantly reduces CO2 emissions. The trials completed by BIGAS International as part of the Savia project analysed every aspect relating to compliance with current safety and pollution standards, testing the effectiveness of the solutions adopted on different prototypes over extended periods.

Ammonia has a higher energy content per kilogram than petrol, and is consequently an excellent source of energy. Industrial production costs are the same as petrol, however a wider variety of raw materials can be used to make it: coal, natural gas, water, in theory anything that contains hydrogen, carbon and nitrogen can be used, albeit with different yields. Storage and transport are similar to LPG, while the power delivered by the engine is the same as for petrol.

Tyres: Marangoni M-Power EvoRed

For the Toyota GT86-R, Marangoni presents “M-Power EvoRed”, a special set of flame-red 19” tyres. For this experimental version, Marangoni Tyre has developed a highly-ecological tyre, based on the standard M-Power, the maximum in Marangoni technological evolution and applied research.

By using third generation functionalized polymers, designed specifically for better interaction between silica and polymer, and the introduction of innovative experimental nanomaterials as more effective alternative fillers to carbon black, M-Power EvoRed has managed to achieve class B rating for rolling resistance and class A for wet braking. These two values, outstanding for ultra-high performance tyres, confirm the efforts made to ensure lower fuel consumption and increased safety that, together with maximum driving pleasure, are the focus of Marangoni’s main product development guidelines.


In designing the interiors, as well as using quality materials such as Alcantara for the ceiling and some finishes in carbon, certainly outstanding are the Sparco R333 seats and a series of accessories such as the pedals and gear knob, both made by this famous Turin-based leader in motorsport products.

Body and design

The bodywork has been completely repainted. The roof is gloss black, while the bottom part of the car uses a special paint, the latest invention by German company Fashion Paint, called Flash Chrome. This paint’s extremely fine particle size, when combined with special clear coat, gives colour tones that change based on exposure, with sensational results. The design of the vehicle is inspired by the muscular Lexus LFA.

The front bumper has been redesigned by TRC Italia style centre, making the bottom centre intake wider, and repositioning the indicator and fog lights, a much sportier design solution compared to the standard version. The aluminium bonnet has been fitted with large air intakes, while the rear bumper has been completely modified, adding a newly-designed carbon air extractor. Carbon has also been used on the rear spoiler, the boot handle and on the mirror covers.

Power kit

Engine power has been boosted by 20 HP compared to the original version, with powerful delivery even at low revs. The power kit adopts a larger stainless steel exhaust complete with 200 cell metal catalyst, designed by English company Milltek Sport. The air intake has been modified using a special Sprintfilter aluminium air box with P08 polyester filter, the latest development by the Milan-based filter manufacturer.

Other features

The already powerful standard braking system has been replaced with Brembo 6-pot calipers and composite disks with 355×32 diameter brake rotors on the front, and 4-pot calipers with 345×28 disks on the rear. This ensures absolute yet at the same time variable braking power.

The ruby red Marangoni “M-Power EvoRed” tyres, in the 235/35R19 size on the front and 265/30R19 on the rear, are fitted on Barracuda Karizzma 8.5×19 wheels on the front axle, and 9.5×19 on the rear. The GT86-R now uses a KW suspension shock-absorber kit with lowering springs, completely adjustable in extension, compression and height, in this case lowered by 35 mm.

Tetsuya Tada: Behind-the-scenes story on how Toyota and Subaru created the GT86 / BRZ

Very interesting article.

Reference: Toyota UK

Tada: How Toyota and Subaru created the GT86

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Since its launch last summer, the Toyota GT86 has received multiple awards for its no-nonsense, fun-to-drive philosophy.

But without unprecedented collaboration between two Japanese carmakers and major backing from on high within Toyota, it might never have happened.

Andrew English recently spoke with GT86 chief engineer Tetsuya Tada, who explained the complicated behind-the-scenes story that led to the most acclaimed sports car of the past decade.

In the end, this is a story of how the development of this remarkable car overcame obstacles and forged a grudging and mutual respect between two teams of engineers, both of whom were working for very different companies.

Here’s Tada-san’s story, in his own words.

“You need to remember that this car was the result of an executive board meeting at Toyota in 2007 with the sole agenda that people around the world are losing interest in cars and what Toyota was going to do about it. One suggestion on how to address this was to go back to basics with a sports car that would rekindle interest. In the past, sports cars had been repeatedly rejected as having a poor return on investment, but at this meeting it was decided that if the technology division could make something that could restart interest, then the marketing division would support it.

“I had been working in the minivan department engineering new product, but a month after the meeting I was summoned. ‘Forget about minivans,’ they said, ‘you are now working on the sports-car project.’

“I started to research the idea and the first thing that hit home to me was that all sports cars are launched to the same formula. The are very fast, with fast lap times and that was the index that was used to measure how effective the car was. Yet when I spoke to car guys around the world they universally said they didn’t want that. These guys were still repairing their old Silvas and AE86 models.

“Yet the first question from the board when I reported back was, ‘how fast is it?’ They couldn’t imagine a car which drives like a dream but isn’t that quick. I was thinking that maybe the car guys were right when they said they thought Toyota would be the hardest company to get such a high-fun, low-top-speed car past.

“Yet when I meet up with rival sports car chief engineers (and we do at various times around the world), we all talk about what we call the Devil’s Cycle of ever-increasing power, speed, weight and price. So I started to work on the packaging requirements for this different sort of sports car. It would need to be front engined and rear wheel drive, but it would also have to be ‘cool’ and by that I mean low at the front. Yet all our Toyota engines are quite high and that would mean the car would have to have a high front end to pass pedestrian safety legislation, which wouldn’t be good for the aerodynamics, the looks or the ‘cool’.

“It quickly became clear that we would need a flat-four cylinder or a rotary engine for such a ‘cool’ sports car. And by coincidence, Toyota and Subaru had just announced a collaboration deal. And although it wasn’t in the area of building a joint sports car, they did have a flat-four engine. In fact the deal was that Toyota was buying some Subaru shares back off General Motors and there was no financial benefit until we came along and suggested we talk to Subaru about their engine.

“When we first approached Subaru they couldn’t believe that our plans for a sports car wasn’t a four-wheel drive or a turbocharged engine. ‘Who is going to buy this car?’ they said. We talked for a while, but the discussions stalled and we didn’t do anything for six months. Then we built a prototype based on a Subaru Legacy and that’s when the mindset seemed to change at Subaru. We lent them that car and the Subaru management came back to us and said, ‘this is such an interesting car. Every time we lend it out, it comes back with the rear tyres worn out!’.

“So the project was on again and the initial approval was for us to take the Subaru engine as it was. This was for financial reasons. We persevered but one year into the project and both sides could see that while we had a sports car, it still needed a good power level of 100bhp per litre and also an environmental target of a maximum of 160g/km of carbon dioxide emissions. With the Subaru flat four as it was we could get one and not the other. If we wanted 160g/km we only got 60bhp per litre, which meant 120bhp in total; not enough.

“We had hit another wall. I went to our engine simulator and looked at the set up we had to give us the figures we needed. The chief engineer from the Lexus LFA came to help us and he proved that with Toyota’s D4S [direct and port] fuel-injection system and a certain bore and stroke we could hit our power and emissions targets.

“Oh dear. We then had a lot of problems with the Toyota board. We needed the company’s most advanced direct fuel-injection system, but when I said I was going to disclose the inner workings of the most modern Toyota advance to an outside company, they said, ‘Are you crazy?’.

“Our saviour turned out to be the head of engine development Shinzo Kobuki who had also developed the engine in the AE86. He took on the task of persuading the board to allow us to use D4S. You might have thought that owning Subaru shares meant that such a move would be in both our interests, but no.

“What’s more Subaru’s reaction was a bolt from the blue. ‘Not over my dead body,’ was their reaction. The rationale was their previous experience with direct injection and the many problems that had occurred. The chief executive officer of engine development had previously been the head of the introduction of direct injection at Subaru and was very anti the idea. Plus of course, the Subaru way is of corporate conservatism.

“So Mr Kobuki came out for us again. ‘I will convince them,’ he said. In the end he undertook to take on the warranty for all problems. What really won everyone over was when we built our first engine. You can imagine that the relationship between Toyota and Subaru at the time was very low. I admit, I was still thinking, ‘they’re never going to agree to this’. Even Mr Kobuki didn’t think that Subaru would understand the ramification of the D4S, the benefits it gave and its importance to Toyota. I was pretty low.

“Yet out of these feelings and the wall of reluctance, we made a prototype [in 2008], which had 190bhp. It started to dissolve the antipathy and marked the start of a mutual respect between Subaru and Toyota engineers. We had heard that Subaru engineering had been concerned about the potential for Toyota one-upmanship in this relationship. But after the prototype was built we all got together and felt that we were all on the same team.”

How Lexus LFA is Made


If you got 45mins, watch it! It’s worth it!

I had a chance to ride in the Lexus LFA last year. I must say, it’s AMAZING car! Yamaha did awesome job on the sound part. Inside, exhaust & intake make music! It’s more than 10.1 surround sound. You feel the sound into the body.

I’ll be waiting to see what Toyota/Lexus is planning for next gen LFA.

Lexus LFA vs Business Jet

Seriously, sometimes I don’t know what all those rich people are thinking… or maybe they watch too much Top Gear. Either way, that’s a lot of money to spent to get everything.

Reference site: Jalopnik

When a Lexus dealership owner and an Eclipse business jet pilot start exploring possibilities, interesting things happen. As happens so often with these things, what started out as some friendly trash talking turned into a full-on bet, and a race.

It took a year and a half of planning and a lot of red tape cutting to get to the race part, but when it finally did happen, the Lexus LFA Nürburgring Edition beat an Eclipse business jet by 2.1 seconds.

“Just because my car doesn’t have wings doesn’t mean it can’t fly,” Kent Stevinson, owner of Stevinson Lexus of Frederick in Longmont, Colo., told 9News.

Stevinson got a race car driver to pilot the Lexus — a 552 hp V10-powered beast that screams to 60 mph in 3.6 seconds — and bet-maker Marc Arnold piloted the Eclipse jet he usually flies charters with. Other than the huge stack of FAA paperwork that had to be completed for the race to actually happen, the tricky part was setting up a race that could test the abilities of a car that can go 202 mph against a jet that has a top speed of 400mph.


This is how it worked: the jet took off first, then circled around to cross the starting line at 150 mph. The LFA launched from a dead stop, sped to the end of the runway, turned around, and raced back to the start. Clearly, it’s a very fast car, and both it and the plane hit 171 mph during the race.

The event had the full support of both Lexus and Eclipse, and understandably so, as it was a badass thing to do and makes both marques look cool. As far as the bet goes, the only thing at stake was honor. Both sides’ commitment to donate $5,000 to the other’s charity — OUR Center for the car and Veterans Airlift Command for the plane — no matter who won more or less cancelled out the money part.

I have to wonder if these guys saw that episode of Top Gear when the boys from BBC raced a Bugatti Veyron and an RAF fighter jet and said, “Whoa! Let’s do that!” before they made the wager.

…they both got pride in their toy. My hats are off to them for actually made the race. Not only they talk the talk, but they walk the walk